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#1 07-06-2008 23:40:48

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Article sur le Wtc 7 et le truth movement dans le FINANCIAL TIMES

Le Financial Times est un quotidien économique et financier britannique, mais dont la majorité des lecteurs résident dans d'autres pays depuis 1998. Il est généralement considéré comme le quotidien économique de référence en Europe. Tiré en 2006 à plus de 400 000 exemplaires et l'on estime que le "FT" a environ 1,6 millions de lecteurs. Il est particulièrement reconnaissable à ses pages de couleur saumon.


What happened to building 7?

By Peter Barber

Published: June 6 2008 19:45 | Last updated: June 6 2008 19:45

To the truthers, "building 7" – the third building in the World Trade Center complex to collapse on September 11 – is evidence that the mainstream media is in on the plot. On that day, the BBC reported the building's fall almost half an hour before it happened. Journalist Jane Standley was broadcast at 4.54pm eastern time reporting that the tower had collapsed – but in the background, it was still standing.

It fell 26 minutes later, seven hours after the Twin Towers came down.

When the Standley clip hit YouTube, truthers bombarded the BBC's website with questions and accusations. Richard Porter, head of BBC world news, was forced to deny that the broadcaster was reading from the Bush conspirators' script. He said the BBC had misreported warnings from fire crews of the building's imminent collapse and instead stated that it had already happened. He blamed the confusion of the day for the mix-up. CNN had earlier reported rumours that a third building had either collapsed or was about to.

But in the minds of the truthers, this explanation was undermined by Porter's admission that the BBC no longer had the original tapes of its coverage.

Building 7 is the truthers' smoking gun for other reasons, too. How, they ask, could this modern, steel-framed skyscraper collapse merely because of fire, without even being hit by an airliner?

The 47-storey WTC7 fell straight down, at almost free-fall speed, largely into its own footprint: all the hallmarks, the sceptics say, of a controlled demolition. Building 7 had some fascinating tenants.

The main occupant was Salomon Brothers, the bank, but on floors nine and 10 was the secret service. On the three floors above that was the Securities and Exchange Commission. The New York Times reported that the building also housed a secret office operated by the CIA dedicated to spying on and recruiting foreign diplomats based at the United Nations. The station's loss had "seriously disrupted" intelligence operations, it said.

The CIA shared a floor with an office of the Defence Department and the Internal Revenue Service.

The collapse of the building also wiped out the operations centre of New York City's Office of Emergency Management on floor 23, throwing the response that day into further mayhem.

Truthers have focused on a comment on the afternoon of September 11 by Larry Silverstein, the building's owner, to a fire department commander: he said they should "pull" the building after a faulty sprinkler system left fires to rage all day. "Pull", the sceptics claim, is industry jargon for demolish. Debunking911.com points out that the term actually refers to pulling one building away from another with cables. Silverstein's spokesman later said that Silverstein told the fire chief that the most important thing was to protect the lives of the firefighters, including pulling them out of the building if necessary.

The US National Institute of Standards and Technology began investigating the collapse of building 7 along with the Twin Towers in 2002, but hived the inquiry off into a separate probe, which will not report until August. This fuelled suspicion that officials were struggling to come up with a plausible line of obfuscation. NIST says progress has been slowed by the complexity of the computer model it is using, which simulates the collapse from the moment it begins all the way to the ground. Another 80 boxes of documents related to WTC7 have also been found and need to be analysed, it says.

NIST's working hypothesis is that fire and/or flaming debris from the collapsing north tower (which left a long gash in building 7's south face) damaged a critical column which supported a 2,000 sq ft floor bay. The remaining floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, and the whole structure came down on itself. The fact that the collapse was triggered by an internal failure would explain the appearance of a controlled demolition with a small field of debris left behind.

The influence of the truthers can be found in this line from a 2004 progress report: "While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more elements."

The BBC, meanwhile, has yet to persuade some of its critics. It had wanted to film the 9/11TruthLA seminar at the Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles but was barred by the organisers, who cited building 7.

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Pas de  révélations mais c quand le financial times qui évoque de façon neutre la polémique sur le Wtc 7 entre les truthers et le Nist big_smile

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The truth is out there

By Peter Barber

Published: June 7 2008 01:22 | Last updated: June 7 2008 01:22

When Cynthia McKinney speaks the words of Martin Luther King Jr, they resound through the church with some of King’s cadence. “A time comes,” declares the former US congresswoman from Georgia, “when silence is betrayal.” The congregation answers with whoops and calls of “That’s right!” King was talking about America’s war in Vietnam. More than 40 years later, before the packed pews of the Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles, McKinney is speaking of the American government’s war on its own people. The shock and awe phase of this conflict, we had been told earlier, began on September 11 2001, when the Bush administration launched attacks on New York and Washington, or at least waved them through.

According to a show of hands that February afternoon, several hundred people in the immaculate church believe this to be true. Some came in T-shirts bearing the words “9/11 was an inside job”. One wore a badge demanding that you “Examine your assumptions”. Quite a few bought the DVDs on sale in the foyer, most of which bore photographs of the Twin Towers spewing smoke. They had all come to hear the message of Architects, Engineers & Scientists for 9/11 Truth, one of the dozens of groups across the US which campaign to persuade us that everything we think we know about 9/11 is wrong.

    Marion Cotillard, actress

    “There was a tower in Spain which burnt for 24 hours. It never collapsed”


Last winter, “Investigate 9/11” banners seemed to be popping up all over the place. Bill Clinton was heckled by “truthers” in Denver while campaigning for his wife. Truthers picketed the Academy Awards in LA – despite this year’s winner of the best actress Oscar, Marion Cotillard, reportedly being one of them. But then, she’s French. Literature lovers in that country pushed Thierry Meyssan’s L’Effroyable imposture (The Appalling Fraud) – which asserts that 9/11 was a government plot to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan and increase military spending – to the top of the bestseller list in 2002.

Country music star Willie Nelson is assuredly not French, but a week or so before the Oscars he described as naive the notion that the “implosion” of the Twin Towers was caused by crashing jets. Meanwhile the European Parliament screened the Italian documentary Zero, in which Gore Vidal, Italian playwright Dario Fo, and Italian MEP Giulietto Chiesa blame the US government, not al-Qaeda, for 9/11. The following month, Japanese MP Yukihisa Fujita raised his own doubts about the official story at a seminar in Sydney. A busy season for the “9/11 Truth” movement.

The events of 9/11 were recorded in many thousands of images, from crisp agency photographs to amateur camcorder footage. Every recorded trail of smoke, every spray of sparks is pored over by an army of sceptics, collectively described as the 9/11 Truth movement. They believe that the key to the mystery is hidden somewhere within the pictures, just as some people think that clues are contained in the Zapruder film which captured the moment of John F. Kennedy’s assassination. Allied against them is a smaller group of rival bloggers who have taken it upon themselves to debunk what they claim are dangerous conspiracy theories.

    Gore Vidal, writer

    “If there ever was great cause for impeachment, it would be over 9/11”


There is some evidence that the truthers are swaying the rest of us. A New York Times/CBS News poll in 2006 revealed that only 16 per cent of Americans polled believed the Bush administration was telling the truth about 9/11. More than half thought it was “hiding something”. This is not the same as believing the government actually launched the attacks, but a Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll the same year found that more than a third of those questioned suspected that federal officials assisted in the attacks or took no action to stop them so that the US could go to war.

The truthers certainly believe that they are on a roll. The crowd in the Immanuel Presbyterian Church seemed electrified. As the donated sound system pumped out angry rap, a giant video screen showed images of protesters demanding a new investigation into 9/11. The symbols and the language were borrowed from the civil rights struggle, but the truthers are an eclectic group, including anti-Bush, anti-war liberals and anti-government libertarians. A young man in a “Vote Ron Paul” T-shirt scuttled through the hall, filming us as we took our seats on wooden pews.

First up was Richard Gage, a San Francisco architect who founded Architects, Engineers & Scientists for 9/11 Truth, which now claims to have 379 professional members. Gage told us that the collapse of the Twin Towers could not have been due merely to gravity, the impact of the airliners and the resulting jet fuel fires – which would not have been hot enough to weaken the steel sufficiently. Behind him on the video screen was the south tower of the World Trade Center. Smoke poured from its upper floors. A respectful silence fell over the audience, followed by gasps as the building appeared to dissolve before our eyes.

While I have seen this footage countless times, it seems that I had clearly never understood what I was seeing. The destruction of the Twin Towers, along with the collapse of the nearby 47-storey World Trade Center 7 building, had all the hallmarks of controlled demolition, according to Gage. They all came straight down, almost at the speed of a free-falling object, right into their own footprints. Steel-framed buildings had never collapsed because of fires before. On this day three did, one of which, “Building 7”, was not even hit by an aircraft.

Gage, who had worked himself into a fever, exhorted the audience to stand up and be counted: “A country is at stake.” Then he welcomed on to the stage the star of the evening, Steven Jones. A softly spoken physicist, Jones is the movement’s designated martyr and seems to promise what the truthers so desperately need: scientific credibility.

Jones entered into truther lore in 2006 when he was put into early retirement by Brigham Young University in Utah after giving public lectures on his paper “Why indeed did the WTC buildings collapse?”, which he published on the website of the university’s physics department. Jones contended that the towers were demolished by cutter charges which had been placed throughout the buildings, probably involving an incendiary called thermite. BYU’s College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the structural engineering faculty, followed by the university administration, disowned him.

Still, Jones is no fool. He has published more than 50 scholarly papers, including pieces on cold nuclear fusion in journals such as Scientific American and Nature. He invented a cooker which uses solar power and has donated models to poor families in the developing world. Jones tells us he believes laboratory testing of dust from Ground Zero will reveal residue from a thermite reaction.

As soon as the seminar is over, Jones is mobbed by people asking him to pose for photos and offering their own views on the 9/11 plot, as well as others such as the presence above our heads of chemtrails (deadly toxins sprayed by unidentified aircraft, which some believe are part of a secret global depopulation programme). This is the world Jones now inhabits – it seems a long way from a Utah physics department. I ask him later by phone if he has any regrets about publishing that fateful paper: “No regrets. I’ve thought of Galileo a few times. He got a little worse than I did, I suppose.”

Jones is typical of many 9/11 researchers in that the subject has taken over his professional life. Down the coast in Santa Barbara is another of the movement’s luminaries. On the beach at Isla Vista, one of the most expensive real-estate spots in the US, lives David Ray Griffin, a former theology professor. As his dogs scratch excitedly on the sliding door, Griffin explains that America’s primary faith is not Christianity, but nationalism. “Other countries do really terrible things. Our leaders never would. And that [belief] has been the biggest impediment to getting people to look at the evidence, because they just know a priori that that is ridiculous.”

    Michael Meacher, UK politician

    “It is clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events of 9/11”


Griffin now thinks the evidence to the contrary is incontrovertible. Until 2002, he had busied himself far from the rancour of public controversy writing rather obscure philosophical books and teaching philosophy of religion at the Claremont School of Theology. But the course of his research changed abruptly when he heard a visiting British theologian question the official account of 9/11. Two years later, Griffin’s The New Pearl Harbor, with a foreword by British MP Michael Meacher, became a touchstone in the 9/11 Truth movement. He has since written others, including one detailing the “omissions and distortions” of the 9/11 Commission, the report of which fits the definition of “conspiracy theory” neatly, he says. “They started with the conclusion that al-Qaeda did it and didn’t even consider the alternative that it was an inside job.”

Griffin was a script consultant on Loose Change Final Cut, part of the internet phenomenon that set off the current explosion of low-budget 9/11 DVDs. The previous version was viewed more than 10 million times on Google Video, according to Vanity Fair. In 2002, armed only with a laptop and off-the-shelf video production software, Dylan Avery, an 18-year-old resident of Oneonta, New York, set about making a fictional film about discovering, with his friends, that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government. At some point in his research, Avery had a “Dude, this shit is real!” moment and Loose Change entered the realm of agit-prop documentary. Final Cut makes a bold new allegation: the Twin Towers were packed with deadly asbestos, which would have cost billions to clean up. “If you bring down the buildings,” says Griffin, “not only do you not have to pay ... to clean them up, somebody is going to make billions of dollars on the insurance.”

September 11 as insurance job? This seems to expand the circle of conspirators somewhat. Griffin ventures another possible explanation: the psychological impact. “You had these massive explosions, which rather looked like a nuclear blast,” he says. “That’s always been the deep fear of America. In the run-up to the Iraq war, that’s what they were talking about – we cannot wait until we have a nuclear cloud.”

Griffin offers one further speculation, this time on a question which is controversial even among 9/11 sceptics: what hit the Pentagon? Thierry Meyssan was the first to claim that it was not Flight 77 – an American Airlines 757 carrying 64 passengers – but a cruise missile that hit the west wall of the Pentagon at 9.37am on September 11. Websites have followed suit, pointing to the apparent lack of plane debris on the Pentagon lawn and the fact that the hole left in the outer ring of the building looks too small to accommodate the wingspan of a 757. Retired US Air Force captain Russ Wittenberg from Pilots for 9/11 Truth asserted that no inexperienced pilot could have performed the manoeuvre the 9/11 Commission concluded that al-Qaeda conspirator Hani Hanjour pulled off that morning: a 330° turn, 2,200ft descent, a full-throttle dive and then a 530 miles per hour plunge at ground level into the Pentagon. Call it “the magic plane theory”: doubters believe that, just as the bullet that killed Kennedy appeared to defy the laws of physics, so the plane that struck the Pentagon was like no other in existence.

And just as Nasa was forced to counter claims the moon landings were faked, these and other claims have forced the US State Department into the debunking business. Its Identifying Misinformation website states that debris from Flight 77 was indeed recovered, as were the remains of passengers and crew. Many witnesses saw the plane come in, and a number of passengers made phone calls to their loved ones telling them their flight had been hijacked.

There is also another obvious problem: if a missile hit the Pentagon, what happened to Flight 77? “There was a rumour that an airliner had gone down on the Ohio/Kentucky border and that was taken very seriously early on by the Federal Aviation Authority,” says Griffin. It later rejected the story. But Griffin claims the only evidence that Flight 77 was aloft after that was an alleged phone call from Barbara Olsen to Ted Olsen, the solicitor-general of the United States.

So how does he explain that phone call? Ted Olsen is a Bush administration insider, he says. Another possible answer, though, is “voice-morphing technology”. This would also explain the flurry of phone calls from United Airlines Flight 93, which, as the official story has it, crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers revolted against their hijackers.

It’s not just supporters of the official story who roll their eyes at these claims. They put Griffin in the camp of the “no-planers”, at least as far as the attack on the Pentagon is concerned. The no-planers enrage the rest of the truthers, who accuse them of sabotaging the credibility of the movement. The claim that no plane hit the Pentagon is a Trojan horse, they say – disinformation that serves the conspirators. Some – such as former MI5 whistleblower David Shayler – have even asserted that no planes, but missiles disguised by “cloaking technology”, hit the Twin Towers. Shayler, incidentally, proclaimed himself the Messiah last year.

If the 9/11 truth movement is fighting a kind of asymmetric war against official sources of knowledge, it is also battling itself. As the movement morphs into an international activist group, it recognises that if it is to convince middle Americans, it must distance itself from its exotic fringe. Once, it was the Mihops versus the Lihops. These factions, who sound like warring species from an H.G. Wells story, are those who believe the government Made It Happen On Purpose and those who think it Let It Happen On Purpose. The Mihops are in the ascendancy.

The genesis of all this can be traced back to a schism that followed the first real attempt to bring scholarly credibility to the 9/11 sceptics. In 2005, Steven Jones was invited to form a group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth by James Fetzer, a professor in the philosophy department at the University of Minnesota and the author of some 20 books on the philosophy of science and artificial intelligence. Fetzer teaches critical thinking, and is nothing if not critical. He has been campaigning for more than a decade to prove that the Zapruder film is a hoax perpetuated by the same government intelligence agencies that orchestrated JFK’s assassination.

But within a year, Jones had written to all members of Scholars announcing that he and others no longer wanted to be associated with Fetzer, who was, in the rebels’ opinion, holding them up to ridicule. Fetzer had backed a theory by Judy Wood, a former assistant professor in mechanical engineering at Clemson University, proposing that the Twin Towers were brought down by a “directed energy” weapon developed as part of the US government’s Star Wars programme. It prompted a stampede to a new group, Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice, headed by Jones. Confusing the two groups would be like mistaking Monty Python’s Judean People’s Front for the People’s Front of Judea: this was a major doctrinal split.

Fetzer’s view is that any serious inquiry into what happened on 9/11 should look at all possibilities. Supporters of the directed energy hypothesis keep popping up at 9/11 Truth lectures to heckle what Python fans might call the “splittist” thermite theorists. Among the advocates of the Star Wars theory is Morgan Reynolds, perhaps the first prominent US government official to claim that 9/11 was an inside job. At the time of the attacks, Reynolds was chief economist at the US Department of Labor.

Some Star Wars supporters, in turn, accuse proponents of the thermite hypothesis of being government shills. One, on CheckTheEvidence.com, alleges that Jones’s public denunciation of Star Wars theories is actually a Trojan horse; he notes that Jones once worked at Los Alamos, where directed energy weapons are researched. This line of conjecture also entangles Norman Mineta, US transportation secretary on September 11 2001. Mineta was the man who grounded all civilian aircraft on that morning. But he was also once vice-president of Lockheed Martin, a founding member of the Directed Energy Professional Society ... In this outer reach of the blogosphere, no one is ever more than six degrees of separation from the heart of the conspiracy.

Jones did, in fact, do post-doctoral research at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility for the University of Wyoming, but he says it was peaceful and non-weapons-related. He says the more out-there theories, including those of the no-planers, are harming the movement. “First, they discourage others who are trying to do serious work, and they tend to be quite vocal about their heckling,” he says. “More serious is that when we’re really trying to look at an evidence-based approach, we get lumped in with these people and then dismissed as a whole.”

Two days before Jones’s lecture in LA, his erstwhile colleague was taking his own campaign on the road on the other side of the country. After addressing Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth in New Hampshire, Fetzer was off to that seat of academic respectability, Yale University. To prepare for our meeting, I watched a DVD of a 9/11 symposium he held in his new hometown of Madison, Wisconsin last year. The star of this show was Alfred Lambremont Webre, a judge on former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad’s alternative international War Crimes Tribunal in Kuala Lumpur and co-author of the Space Preservation Treaty. He delivers what might be the most momentous opening line in the history of town hall seminars. “Fellow Citizens... 9/11 was a false flag operation by an international war crimes racketeering organisation to provide a pretext to engage in a genocidal and ecocidal depleted uranium bombing of central Asia, Afghanistan and Iraq in order to secure vast oil and uranium reserves; to roll out a terror-based national security state system worldwide and ... to implement the final stages of a world depopulation policy.” There are two more “false flag” operations in the pipeline, he says. The first is the war against asteroids, the second the “war against the evil aliens”.

Hearing this, you either experience the thrill of revelation or the sinking feeling that the person you are listening to is having some kind of breakdown. Within 30 minutes, Webre has folded into the 9/11 plot the Skull & Bones society at Yale University – or the “Brotherhood of Death”, as he calls it – neocon think-thank the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rothschilds, the Queen and the City of London. I wondered how all these conspiracies could be maintained without the whole conceit unravelling.

The answer, of course, is that there is only one conspiracy. Pearl Harbour, the moon landing, JFK, 9/11, the Illuminati, the Black Helicopters, Skull & Bones, chemtrails: all faces of the same demon. The plot goes all the way to the top, and all the way back in time. You could come to believe that it involves everyone except yourself – at which point it’s all over for you. And as I listened, I just waited for him to say the Word. And, inevitably, Webre brought it all back to the “international neo-Zionist organisation”.

I asked Fetzer about this as we sat in a cafe across from Yale, home of the Brotherhood of Death: how did he keep his scholars on message? “It’s obvious to me that you have to consider all the possible alternatives,” he says. “You can’t exclude any, lest, as you proceed in your investigation and eliminate hypotheses, you eliminate the true hypothesis because you’ve never allowed it to be considered.”

Fetzer’s talk later that night does not go well. A Yale student had promoted the lecture on Facebook Events, but fellow students had apparently been unwilling to add their names, which anyone can see, perhaps for fear of ridicule. Only six show up. When it becomes clear that Fetzer is implicating some kind of Star Wars weapon, the two next to me begin scrolling distractedly through their mobile phone messages. Within 10 minutes, they have left.

    Lewis Lapham, journalist

    “Americans are very good at dreaming up these scenarios”

The conclusion of the 9/11 Commission – the official story – is that the 2001 attacks got through because those charged with protecting America had not truly conceived of the threat: in its author’s evocative phrase, they had suffered a “failure of imagination”. After trawling the internet in search of 9/11 Truth, it seems to me the American imagination is strong. “Americans are very good at dreaming up these scenarios,” says Lewis Lapham, the former Harper’s magazine editor and a prominent critic of the Bush administration post-September 11. “We are open to all kinds of magical theories,” he says, citing the continuing fascination with the assassination of JFK. “We are also good at creating religions.” Lapham thinks the theory that 9/11 was an inside job follows in this long tradition, but also reflects cynicism among Americans towards their government. He does not accept that the Bush administration planned 9/11 or even allowed it to happen. Nonetheless, he thinks a new investigation is warranted. In 2004, Harper’s ran a trenchant piece describing the 9/11 Commission as a “whitewash” and a “cheat and a fraud” for downplaying evidence that warnings of the al-Qaeda threat were ignored. Such flaws allowed space for alternative theories to develop, Lapham says.

In this, there are shades of the Warren Commission into the assassination of President Kennedy, which served merely to deepen popular distrust. But if we have seen the likes of the 9/11 Truth movement before, it also represents something new. “With the Kennedy assassination, pretty soon after the events themselves there were fairly significant questions being raised by people of all types and stripes about what actually happened,” says Mark Fenster, a University of Florida law professor and author of Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture. “But whereas then it was a generalised, amorphous kind of response, the amount of organisation – politically and through alternative media – is far more striking now than it was back then.”

Fenster thinks that the 9/11 Truth movement is in some ways a typical American response to a surprising and traumatic event. But it also represents a step change in its use of telecommunications technology. “One of the interesting things, particularly in the beginning of this movement, was the extent to which there were a lot of local groups in different cities organising protests ... and they could co-ordinate and create a national and international movement,” he says. “Whether that translates into more people actually believing in the conspiracy theory is a completely different question.”

Fenster believes the few published polls on the subject, rather than showing any real depth of suspicion about 9/11, demonstrate declining trust in the Bush administration generally. The author of one of the most rigorous of the websites that aim to debunk the conspiracy theories, Debunking911.com, he notes that the most recent Zogby poll on attitudes towards 9/11 found only 4.6 per cent of Americans believe the Bush administration blew up the Twin Towers. “If you follow the website hits, you’ll find that since Debunking911 came into existence, conspiracy sites have been losing readership,” he says via e-mail. “I think all they needed was someone to fill in the parts conspiracy theorists left out of the conspiracy story and their numbers begin to shrink.”

Perhaps the 9/11 Truth movement is what one would expect in the dying days of an unpopular administration, and with no end in sight to a costly war. Whether it can maintain momentum when that government leaves office next year is anyone’s guess. In the meantime, some on the left accuse it of letting the leaders they so vehemently distrust off the hook. “They make a mockery of [civil rights] causes by associating their nonsense with genuinely important issues, and by diverting a large number of people who should know better into a unicorn hunt,” says British writer and activist George Monbiot. Monbiot is regularly heckled by 9/11 truthers at public events after accusing them in The Guardian of undermining genuine political opposition. His first column on the truthers prompted a near-record number of postings on the paper’s Comment Is Free website – 777 – many accusing him of being part of the conspiracy.

“It’s very interesting to see,” he says, “particularly in the United States, how the anti-war movement has been largely co-opted in many places by the 9/11 Truth movement. And we desperately need an active anti-war movement, because there is a lot of reckoning to be done.”

Peter Barber is the FT’s deputy comment editor

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008

Analyse du truth movement, de ses principaux représentants et des dérives de certains membres sur certains sujets big_smile (illuminati, skull and bones , moon ect) mais le débat est ouvert smile

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Merci Dr Gonzooo wink. Ce serait bien de les traduire dans leur intégralité pour les non-anglophones.

Le premier article sur le WTC7 est plus neutre que le second.

...NIST says progress has been slowed by the complexity of the computer model it is using, which simulates the collapse from the moment it begins all the way to the ground.

Trad' grosso modo: "Le NIST dit que les travaux ont été ralentis par la complexité du système de modélisation qui simule l'effondrement du moment où il commence jusqu'au sol"

Chic alors ! Cela veut donc dire qu'on va avoir, pour une fois, une vraie simulation d'un des effondrements du 11 septembre dans sa totalité roll ?! Vivement août alors lol !

Another 80 boxes of documents related to WTC7 have also been found and need to be analysed, it says.....

"80 autres boites de documents en lien avec le WTC7 ont été trouvées et nécessitent d'être analysées, dit-il..."

La découverte inopinée de 80 boites de documents = une vraie fausse excuse à 2 balles du retard ou bien tonguebig_smile ?

 

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En effet, à traduire !!!!! smile

... et à publier avec des commentaires (je ne vois pas trop ou ce journaliste veut en venir, surtout avec la fin du deuxième article ?! hmmhmmhmmhmm ).

En tout cas, ça semble être une n'ième bombe... ou pétard mouillé ?! hmm


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J'ai bien hâte que le Mardi 4 novembre date d'élection USA soit passé, les journaux vont pouvoir se déniaiser enfin, Bush et Cheney eux ne doivent pas avoir hâte, à espérer que tout se passe bien d'ici la.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Interviewed on Vancouver News -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 1543667447

Bush, Cheney et Cie accusés de crimes de guerre dans un dossier du FBI -> http://www.legrandsoir.info/spip.php?article6754

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#6 08-06-2008 03:25:02

SidiMehdi
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Re: Article sur le Wtc 7 et le truth movement dans le FINANCIAL TIMES

Voilà la traduction du premier article

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Que s'est-il passé au bâtiment 7?

Par Peter Barber

Publié: Juin 6 2008 19:45 | Dernière mise à jour: Juin 6 2008 19:45

Pour les chercheurs de la vérité « truthers », le bâtiment 7, le troisième bâtiment du World Trade Center qui s’effondra le 11 Septembre est la preuve que les grands médias sur le terrain font partie de la conspiration. Ce jour-là, la BBC releva la chute du bâtiment presque une demi-heure avant que cela se produise. La journaliste Jane Standley, annonça à 16h54, heure de l'est,  que la tour s'est effondrée alors qu’elle était encore debout en arrière-plan.

Le bâtiment tomba 26 minutes plus tard, sept heures après les Twin Towers.

Lorsque la vidéo de Standley passa sur YouTube, les truthers ont bombardé le site de la BBC de questions et d’accusations. Richard Porter, le directeur de la BBC World News, a été forcé de nier que l’information provenait des instructions de Bush. Il a dit que la BBC avait confondu les mises en garde des pompiers sur l’effondrement imminent du bâtiment avec le fait que cela avait déjà eu lieu. Il a accusé la confusion de la journée pour cette erreur. CNN avait déjà signalé des rumeurs selon lesquelles un troisième bâtiment s’était effondré ou été sur le point de tomber.

Mais dans l'esprit des truthers, cette explication a été compromise quand Porter a admis que la BBC n'avait plus l'original des bandes de cette couverture.

Le bâtiment 7 est l’arme de bataille des truthers pour d'autres raisons également. Ils demandent comment un gratte ciel moderne en acier peut-il s’effondrer du seul fait d’un incendie sans même être heurter par un avion de ligne?

Les 47 étages du WTC7 sont tombé verticalement, quasiment à la vitesse de la chute libre, en grande partie sur elle même: toutes les caractéristiques, disent les sceptiques, d'une démolition contrôlée. Le building 7 a certains locataires intéressants.

Les principaux occupants étaient les frères Salomon et leur banque, mais sur les étages 9 et 10 se trouvait les services secret. Sur les trois étages au-dessus il y avait la « Securities and Exchange Commission »(service de régulation des marché). Le New York Times a rapporté que le bâtiment abritait également un bureau secret exploité par la CIA consacré à l'espionnage et au recrutement des diplomates étrangers basés à l'Organisation des Nations Unies. La perte de cette cellule a "gravement perturbé" des opérations de renseignement, a-t’il dit.

La CIA partage un étage avec un bureau du Département de la défense et l'Internal Revenue Service (l’équivalent du fisc je crois).

L'effondrement de l'immeuble a également balayé les bureaux du centre des opérations de gestions des urgences de la ville de New-York au 23eme étage. Ce qui accentua le chaos ce jour là.

Les truthers ont mis l'accent sur un commentaire de Larry Silverstein, le propriétaire du bâtiment, l'après-midi du 11 Septembre, à un commandant des pompiers: il a dit qu'ils devraient "tirer" le bâtiment puisque la défaillance du système d’incendie avait laissé le feu le ravager toute la journée. "Tirez", les sceptiques déclarent que c’est le jargon de l'industrie pour « démolir ». Debunking911.com fait remarquer que le terme se rapporte réellement à tirer un bâtiment hors d'un autre à l'aide de câbles. Le porte parole de Silverstein a déclaré plus tard que Silverstein a dit au chef des pompiers que le plus important était de protéger la vie des pompiers, y compris en les « tirant » hors du bâtiment si nécessaire.

L'Institut national américain des normes et de la technologie (NIST) a commencé à enquêter sur l'effondrement du bâtiment 7 en même temps que les Twin Towers en 2002, mais en séparant les 2 enquêtes, ils ne présenteront pas de rapport avant le mois d'août. Cela alimente les suspicions que les fonctionnaires ont du mal à trouver une ligne plausible de dissimulation. Le NIST dit que les travaux ont été ralentis par la complexité du système de modélisation qui simule l'effondrement du moment où il commence jusqu'au sol. 80 autres boites de documents en lien avec le WTC7 ont été trouvées et nécessitent d'être analysées, dit-il..

Le NIST travail sur l’hypothèse selon laquelle l'incendie et / ou les débris enflammés de l'effondrement de la tour nord (qui a laissé une longue balafre sur le coté sud du bâtiment 7) ont endommagé sérieusement une partie de la structure qui soutenait 2000m² de la tour. Les autres étages n'ont pas été en mesure de redistribuer les charges, et l'ensemble de la structure s’est effondrée sur elle-même. Le fait que la chute a été provoquée par une défaillance interne expliquerait la ressemblance avec une démolition contrôlée laissant un petit champ de débris derrière.

On peut trouver l’influence des truthers dans cette ligne d’un rapport de 2004: «Bien que le NIST n’ait pas trouvé de preuve d'explosion ou de démolition contrôlée, le NIST tiens à déterminer l'ampleur des scénarios hypothétiques d’explosions qui pourraient avoir conduit à la défaillance structurelle d'un ou plusieurs éléments. "

La BBC, quant à elle, doit encore convaincre certains de ses détracteurs. Elle a voulu filmer les séminaires du « 9/11TruthLA » à l’église  Presbitaire Emmanuel de Los Angeles, mais les organisateurs qui citent le bâtiment 7 l’en ont empêché.

Copyright Le Financial Times Limited, 2008

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Les choses commencent à se bouger depuis le temps car l'article est peut être objectif mais il lance quand même le débat dans un support financier a forte audience et c'est une très bonne chose !

De plus c'est intéressant de savoir que l'on aura peut être plus de détails en Aout.

SI j'ai le temps je traduirai le second demain.


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#7 08-06-2008 03:51:21

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Merci pour la trad et bienvenue smile


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#8 08-06-2008 04:00:28

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poip a écrit:

J'ai bien hâte que le Mardi 4 novembre date d'élection USA soit passé, les journaux vont pouvoir se déniaiser enfin, Bush et Cheney eux ne doivent pas avoir hâte, à espérer que tout se passe bien d'ici la.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Interviewed on Vancouver News -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 1543667447

Bush, Cheney et Cie accusés de crimes de guerre dans un dossier du FBI -> http://www.legrandsoir.info/spip.php?article6754

Enorme l'intervention de Cage

Il est le parfait porte parole du truth movement

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#9 08-06-2008 04:11:05

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..........à espérer que tout se passe bien d'ici la.

Ouais! Ils vont être longs ces prochains mois.

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#10 08-06-2008 08:56:26

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Mille mercis pour cette excellente traduction, SidiMehdi, et bienvenue wink !

 

#11 08-06-2008 09:44:11

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Bienvenue SidiMehdi et merci beaucoup pour la traduction. smile

poip a écrit:

J'ai bien hâte que le Mardi 4 novembre date d'élection USA soit passé, les journaux vont pouvoir se déniaiser enfin, Bush et Cheney eux ne doivent pas avoir hâte, à espérer que tout se passe bien d'ici la.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Interviewed on Vancouver News -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 1543667447

Bush, Cheney et Cie accusés de crimes de guerre dans un dossier du FBI -> http://www.legrandsoir.info/spip.php?article6754

C'est aujourd'hui bien sûr et de loin le plus inquiétant. Avec un baril qui continue inlassablement de grimper et un dollar qui baisse d'autant Bush et Cheney ont hélas de bonnes raisons d'espérer voir s'appliquer les textes de lois dites "d'exceptions"qu'ils ont créé tout spécialement et qu'ils conservent sous le coude à ces fins apocalyptiques qu'ils souhaitent et désirent apparemment ardemment . Si leur plan fonctionne ce sera et de loin la pire catastrophe jamais provoquée par l'ambition démesurée et la folie humaine. Vladimir Poutine l'avait lui même annoncé publiquement lorsqu'il prédisait en 2007 que les USA s'effondreraient de l'intérieur. Cela renforce fortement aussi l'aspect du contrôle total et de la connaissance préalable des élites à cet acte, lequel s'il abouti devrait être un véritable, si ce ne sera LE cauchemar pour toutes les démocraties. L'enquête indépendante sur le 11 septembre serait aussi alors plus que certainement et irrémédiablement refusée, elle ne serait d'ailleurs plus de toutes façons un des objets principaux d'inquiétudes des citoyens conscients et responsables. sad

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« La première victime d’une guerre, c’est la vérité » Déclaration du sénateur américain Hiram Johnson en 1917, lors de l’entrée en guerre des États-Unis.

Vous avez dit anti-américanisme ?

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#12 08-06-2008 11:44:20

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Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Interviewed on Vancouver News -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 1543667447

http://bodo.gnn.tv/blogs/28515/9_11_Arc … _Vancouver


"A ce jour, je n'entre pas dans les théories du complot, sauf celles qui sont vraies !" Michael Moore cité par Pr. David Ray Griffin dans un livre que tout le monde doit lire : La faillite des médias
Sinon écoutez Serge Latouche et Jacques Grinevald sur Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen !
http://ocparis.canalblog.com/

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#13 08-06-2008 18:22:55

SidiMehdi
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big_smile de rien ça fait plaisir de filer un coup de pouce cool


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